Fibonacci in Forex Trading - Learn More

Category: Technical Analysis | Saturday, January 24th, 2009

On January 17th 2008 I posted an article about Fibonacci numbers and the way you can use them in forex and stock trading. In that article I explained why Fibonacci numbers work and why we can see some of them specially 0.618 everywhere in the world and in everything. I suggest you to read that article first and then come back and read this one. I strongly believe that using the Fibonacci numbers in trading, whether in stock or forex, needs much more experience and information than what I have already explained in that article.

In this article and maybe some other articles in future I try to explain more about using the Fibonacci numbers because it really works. Fibonacci numbers really work in forex trading because they reflect the psychology of the traders and trading forex and stock is all about the psychology of the traders: When most traders decide to sell, the price goes down and when they decide to buy, the price goes up.

How can we know when the traders decide to buy or sell? Fibonacci numbers are one of the tools that reflect what the traders may have in their minds.

Why the Fibonacci numbers can reflect what the traders have in their minds? Are they magic numbers?

Well! For our trading job we just need to know that Fibonacci numbers work and can show us the way. Why they can show us the way is the question that its answer has no effect in our trading BUT I am sure you are eager to know. In the previous article I have explained it. When Fibonacci numbers are the key numbers in everything in the world from the arrangement of atoms, molecules, flowers and … to planets, stars, galaxies and … and when they can be seen in all of our body organs and even in our DNA molecule which is the database of all of our characteristics and behaviors, SO they can be seen in the forex and stock price movements because as I said the movement and direction of the price is the result of the behavior of the traders (buyers and sellers).

In that previous article I asked a question that only one of you looked eager to know. I want to repeat this question here and give the answer after one year:

I do not know why only Fibonacci numbers (specially 0.618) and not any other number (for example 0.264) can be seen in everything in the universe. If you ask “why 0.618?” I have no answer for it but if you ask why this 0.618 can be seen in everything from the smallest things like atoms to the biggest things like galaxies and there is no exception for that I have an answer. Fibonacci numbers can be seen in everything simply because everything is created by the same person and the same rules and regulations.

It makes sense, doesn’t it?

Ok! Now lets learn more about using the Fibonacci numbers in our trades.

One of the most important problems of the traders is that they really don’t know where to plot the Fibonacci levels. They can not find the start and stop point for drawing the Fibonacci levels and they choose wrong places to plot the Fibonacci levels and this causes them to make mistakes.

1. Range:

One of the best places to plot the Fibonacci levels is the high and low of a range. When the market is slow and in fact is in an indecision situation that means traders are waiting for each others’ decision and nobody wants to take risk before the others, the price fluctuation will become very small and the price goes up and down between a narrow range. We can see ranging in all different time frames. We can see the market ranging tens of times a day in one minute chart, several times in 5 minutes chart and a few times per year in the daily chart. A ranging in the one minutes chart can last several minutes and in a daily chart can last several days. So with any of these time frames that you work, the rules are the same. It is just the length of the ranging time which is different.

A range, whether long or short, will be broken because the market can not stay in an indecision situation forever. A range can break down or up and this is what we want to know to take our positions and follow the market.

If you are a Fibonacci trader, all you need is finding a range in one of the time frames and then finding the high and low of the range. Let me show you some an example.

Please follow the notes on the image below as you are reading these explanations. The below chart is the GBP/USD daily chart. GBP/USD started a range from about 2008.01.22. The distance between high an low of this range was over 1000 pips. It was still tradable but obviously the market was not in a trend. When we were at about January 2008 we could not guess that we are at the beginning of the range but when the price went down on 2008.02.20 and retested the same support line at 1.9329 and then started going up again, we could know that we have a strong support at 1.9329 that can be the low of a range. Then when the price went up and made a high at 2.0392 on 2008.03.14 and then went down and retested the 1.9329 support for the third time on 2008.05.14 we could be sure that we are in a ranging market. Please note that in a ranging market one of the triangle, wedge or even head and shoulders patterns may be seen.

If we were looking for a trend, all we need to do was waiting for the range to be broken down or up. How we could know if the range will break down or up? There are some ways to guess. For example making lower highs tells us that the range will break down. In the below case, when the price retested the 1.9329 support on 2008.05.14, it went up again but couldn’t reach the 2.0392 resistance and made a lower high at 2.0157 on 2008.07.15. When the price makes a lower high it means the market doesn’t have enough potency to go up and reach the previous high it already had. So this can be considered as a signal that the range will break down. Also the high we have on 2008.03.14 is a lower high in comparison with the high we have on 2007.11.09. But please note that cases are different and not all of the lower highs mean that the price will break down.

This is how you should see the chart and analyze the market and guess what will happen.

So far we have a range and all of the signals (higher lows) tell us that this range should break down. However when we are not sure what will happen and what the direction of the breakout can be, we have to wait until the breakout happens. We really don’t have to guess it. We can wait and see it and when the breakout happens we can take the proper position. When the low of the range is broken down we can go short and when the high of the range is broken up we can go long.

Now it is time to plot our Fibonacci levels. As I guessed that the range would break down, I plot the Fibonacci levels from the low of the range to the top. So the 0.0 level will be placed at the high of the range and the 100.0 level will be placed at the low and also all other 161.80, 261.80 and 423.60 levels will be placed below the range:

If I had predicted that the range will break up I should have plotted the Fibonacci levels from top of the range to the bottom and so the 161.80, 261.80 and 423.60 levels would be placed above the range.

Now lets look at the chart with a bigger magnification (the below image) and I will tell you how and when you could take the proper position and where would be your target. The 2008.08.08 candlestick tells us that the range is broken down because it is closed below the range low. We could go short at the close of this candlestick if we are not already short after the formation of the 2008.07.15 lower high. Our target would be the 161.80 level and the stop loss had to be placed above the open of this candle.

It is time to tell you about the importance of some of the Fibonacci levels. When a range is broken up/down the 161.80 level is the guaranteed target level that in 95% of the cases will be reached by the price. If the breakout is strong enough, the 261.80 and even the 423.60 will be reached too. Among the Fibonacci inside levels (the levels that are placed between the 0.0 and 100.0 levels) the 23.60 and 38.20 are the most important one and as you can see the 2008.07.15 lower higher is formed exactly below the 23.60 level and before this lower high we have a small lower high which is formed below the 38.20 level (the red arrow). Do you see how exactly and precisely the Fibonacci levels work???

Ok! So we went short at the close of 2008.08.08 candlestick and our target was the 161.80 level. So we made 520 pips so far. The prices start going up and down around the 161.80 level BUT the 2008.08.22 candle tells us that bears (sellers) are so strong and they want to take the price down to 261.80 level. So we went short at the close of this candle and our target would be the 261.80 level and we made another 900 pips. The stop loss had to be placed several pips above the open of this candle which is actually above the 161.80 level.

Lets take a look at the next parts of the chart. As you see (the below image) when the price reached the 261.60 It went up to retest the 161.80 level (follow the numbers - #1). It is time to emphasize on the importance of 161.80 level. This level works as a very strong support/resistance. When it is broken up/down, it will be retested in 95% of the cases. So you should always expect to see the price goes up to retest the broken 161.80 level as a resistance. So the price goes up and retests the 161.80 level (#2) and then goes down. We could go short again here, set the target at 261.80 and the stop loss above the 161.80 levels.

Again when the price broke down the 261.80, it went up and retested this level but the 2008.10.20 candle indicated that it would keep on going down again. Why the 2008.10.20 candle? Because it is a bearish candle the is closed below the low and the close of the last 5 candles. It also has covered the whole bodies and shadows of the last three candles and have formed a bearish signal pattern which is called Dark Cloud Cover. Learn the candlesticks and their patterns!

So we went short again at the close of the 2008.10.20 candle, set the stop loss above the 261.80 level and the target at 423.60 level and made about 1100 pips.

Could you go long when you saw the price is going up after breaking down the 261.80 level? You could but you should not because it was against the trend direction.

Now let me tell you about a different way that we could trade with this downtrend. This is the method that some conservative traders use to trade and I like it because it is safer and wiser.

We could wait until the range becomes broken down and the downtrend becomes confirmed. Then we should have waited for the price to start going up and makes the first correction, flag or consolidation. Then when it started following the downtrend to go down once again, we could go short. Take a look at the below image and you will know what I mean. I am now talking about the Elliott Waves. What I am trying to say is trading the second Elliott Wave which is the best one.

2. Second Wave:

Just have an eye on the below image and follow the numbers as I am explaining. It is exactly the above chart but with a different way of trading.

In many cases a trend will be started when a range becomes broken (As you saw above). As I said ranging means indecision. When we have a ranging market, it means traders are waiting for each other to take the risk. They want the price to start moving and then take the proper position. They don’t want to take any risk before the others. When the market breaks the range (#1 in the below image), the traders who have been waiting for the market to move and break the range, follow the newly started trend and take the proper position (short position in this case) and this will provide more fuel for the price to move to the breakout direction (to go down in this case).

Then after a while that the market keep on moving, some traders decide to close their positions and collect their profit and so the price starts moving to the other direction (#2 in the above image). But there are also a lot of other traders who keep their positions and wait for the price to start moving to the direction of the breakout again. These traders will add to the positions they had and at the same time some other traders who are late will come and see the trend and take the proper position. So the price starts moving to the direction of the trend again (#3 in the above image). This is where most traders take their positions because they believe that the trend is confirmed only when the price starts following the breakout direction once again.

When the price starts following the breakout direction, it is the beginning of the second Elliott Wave which has the biggest movement and is the best to trade. Some professional traders only trade this wave. At the above image, the second wave is started at #3 and is finished at #8.

Fibonacci levels are the best tools to show us the waves and our entry and exit points:

1. Wait for the range breakout (#1).
2. Wait for the price to start moving against the breakout (#2).
3. Wait for the price to start following the breakout direction again (#3) and take the proper position (short position in this case) and set the target to the first low support line (#4) and set the stop above the 0.0 level.
4. Wait for the price to break down the first low support line (#4).
5. If it couldn’t do that close your position and wait for the price to follow the trend direction again.
6. If it breaks down the first low support line (#4) but went up to retest the broken support (#5) close your position and wait for the price to follow the trend direction again.
7. If it couldn’t breaking up the broken support and started following the trend direction again (#5 and #6) then take the proper position again (short position in this case) and set the 161.80 level as the target.
8. If it broke down the 161.80 level (#7) keep your position or if you have closed it take it again and set the target to 261.80 level (#8).
9. Wait for the price to retest the 161.80 (#9) and then if failed to break the 161.80 and started following the trend direction again, take the position (short position in this case) and set the target to 261.80 again.
10. It is possible that it breaks the 261.80 level but retest it (#11, #12 and #13). If you see the trend is strong enough to move toward the 423.60 level, take the proper position (short position in this case) and set the target to 423.60 and place the stop loss above the 261.80 level.

Your main profit could be made by trading the second wave (#3 to #8) and some traders do not take any position after that because in most cases the market becomes choppy after the second wave.

Ok! I think it is enough by now. I will try to have more articles about using the Fibonacci levels and show you more examples and trades.

Exercise:

1. Back Testing:
- Try to find ranges like the above example in different time frames and with different currency pairs.
- Find the breakout and their confirmations and reasons.
- Plot the Fibonacci levels and find the entry and exit points.
- Do this with as many currency pairs and time frames as you can.

2. Live Demo Trading:
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Choose a volatile currency pair like Eur/JPY or GBP/USD
- Go to a short time frame like 1min or 5min.
- Wait for a range to form.
- Find the high and low of the range.
- Predict the direction of the breakout or wait for the real breakout.
- Plot your Fibonacci levels.
- Take the proper position with you demo account.
- Set the stop loss and target.
- Repeat this as many times as you can.

Note: The reason of choosing a short time frame is that just for the practicing purpose I don’t want you to wait a lot for a range and breakout to form. I am not suggesting you to trade using the short time frames like 1min or 5min. This is up to you and it depends on everybody’s tastes and conditions.



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Comment by priawansyah
2009-01-25 00:00:31

Thanks You So Much Vahid! Fantastic Work you have done. You are truly a real professor of graphic in FX Trading. Your contributions to this Blog are greatly appreciated.

Cheers
Priawansyah

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 07:21:36

Thanks Priawansyah!

 
 
Comment by priawansyah
2009-01-25 00:24:54

Vahid,

Thanks once more. Since most of us are newbie in FX trading, Could you please give us an example of how to draw a Fib Level in a 5Minutes and 15 Minutes Chart in any pair of currency (Preferrable in EURUSD, USDJPY and GBPUSD) in the latest Price action as of January 2009? Thanks much for your great way of teaching.

Cheers
Priawansyah

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 07:21:13

Hi Priawansyah,

Thanks for your comment.

I will try to write more articles about using the Fibonacci on different currency pairs and time frames.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by priawansyah
2009-01-25 11:41:52

Thanks much Vahid, We are waiting for your next post on Fib, and new signal for next week.

One Question: Is Fibonacci drawing valid only when there is Range-bound price actions?

Thanks and Cheers
Priawansyah

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 14:35:34

Hi Priawansyah,

No; Fibonacci can be used under some other conditions too. I need to talk about it more in some other articles.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by Omar
2009-01-25 15:21:24

Hello Vahid,

Thank you for this post on Fibonacci numbers. I am very new to forex but I had noticed several times, on my demo account, that the numbers do work very precisely. Your post, as all posts from you, add to my knowledge and I thank you.

Best regards
Omar

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 16:12:19

Hi Omar,

Thanks a lot for your comment.

Yes Fibonacci numbers are really great and I use them a lot in my predictions. I will try to write more about them in future.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by Ivan Australia
2009-01-25 17:48:39

I read comments every day of praise and gratitude for the work and kindness of you, Vahid.

I would like to do something for you in return.

I would like to suggest that the people who feel gratitude towards you for the knowledge they freely receive, could perhaps click on the Google advertisements from time to time and have a look at the products.

I am NOT suggesting they purchase any of the products (that MAY be the case) because that will always remain a personal choice of the reader.
But it would not hurt to just take a moment to click and have a look.

Vahid has stated he receives a tiny amount for each click on the advertisements that Google place.
But that tiny amount multiplied by the number of his followers and readers, could amount to a substantial bonus for our mentor and friend.

Worth taking a few moments … and a few clicks … to express some thanks in a practical way.

I know you are too humble to suggest people help you in this way - but I am bold enough to suggest it.

Kind regards

Ivan
Australia

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 18:24:54

Dear Ivan,
Hi

Thanks for your kindness. Hope I really deserve your pure attentions.

It is actually against the Google Adsense terms if I ask the website users to click on the ads. But they can always take a look on the ads and if they see something that attracts their attention they can click on it and find more about it. I am sure this is what the advertisers want too. They like people to see their ads and click on them and to be referred to their sites. Unfortunately there are always some scam programs advertised in Google Adsense but there are a lot of good products and services also. When I visit a website that offers valuable information for free I try to appreciate their generosity by clicking on the ads BUT I don’t do blind clicks. I read the ads and if I find something interesting I click because it is also immoral to waste the advertisers money.

Currently I make a very small amount of money from those ads and sometimes I think it doesn’t worth to have them on the site but on the other hand if I make the site free of any source of income people may think that why he spends so much time for a website that makes no money for him and this may look a little strange or even suspicious. They may think that I have some other plans in my mind. So I let people think that I offer free information on this site and make some money from the ads. This looks more normal and I think there is nothing wrong with it.

Again, I appreciate your kindness Ivan. You are so nice and I try to do my best to be more helpful for nice people like you.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by Fitz
2009-01-25 18:17:02

Hello Vahid,

Thank you for this post on Fibonacci numbers. Its a real eye opener. I am not new to forex but I was never taught about the outside Fibs just the retracements. Just wondering if the trend is really strong is there anything special if it hits the 423.6% fib.Like how 161.8% usually is retested?

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 21:28:58

Hi Fitz,

Thanks for your comment.

When the trend is really strong the 423.60 will also be broken. You can see this more often in small time frames. But usually the market becomes choppy after 261.80 level because more and more traders close their positions to collect their profit and at the same time some newcomers open new positions to follow the trend or go against it.

Generrally when the 100.0 level becomes broken strongly we can be sure that the 161.80 level and hopefully the 261.80 level will be reached but it really hard to say if it will also reach the 423.60 level or not because as I said the market becomes so noisy after the 261.80 level.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by ola
2009-01-25 19:15:12

hmmm, great vahid, you always make forex trading simple,this article has shedd great light to points of targets and market direction.for intra-day trading on what time frame can fibonacci be drawn…………………………………………..something that can last a day to a week.

 
Comment by elyaz
2009-01-25 20:55:44

Hi vahid, great to see your analysis again,

man, your awesome, actually now im concentrate on GJ, i would like to know and learn more your trading style

thank for your kind
im sure you have make a lot of afford to make it easier and understand to new comer in fx world
may god make you always health and happy with your family

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-25 21:15:01

Hi Elyaz,

Thanks! Glad to hear from you again.

May God bless you and your family too.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by MichaelE
2009-01-26 00:35:21

Hi Vahid,

great post, thank you ! Actually my father is an artist ( pictures and sculptures ) and now 74y old, telling him about Fibonacci numbers put a big smile on his face………;-))

Cheers,

Michael

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-26 10:14:06

Hi Michael,

You’re welcome.

So what did your father say about Fibonacci? Was he impressed or it looked funny to him?

Best regards,
Vahid

Comment by MichaelE
2009-01-26 12:25:24

Hello Vahid,

no, he was impressed and amused. Apart from that it was a small victory for me, as he always thought that trading is just a bunch of greedy fools, messing around with rumours and numbers……;-))

So of course now he asks about that, and to take advantage of my small position I showed him pictures of Gann charts which amazed him even more.

See examples at : http://www.wave59.com

Or also very nice at Larry Pesavento`s site : http://tradingtutor.com

Thanks and warm regards,

Michael

 
 
 
Comment by EMMY
2009-01-26 11:01:33

thank you again , i wish to inform you that you have taught me forex. you are a kind man, candlesticks was well explained by you. you make things simple to understand. anytime am seaching in gogle ,i will be also searching for your web site because you make it more explicit .the bb you explained to me wooo fantastic but will bless you and reward you. iwill soon subscribe to your live .please explain hedge trading with currency pairs examples for me.

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-26 11:31:22

Dear Emmy,
Hi

Thanks!

Hedge trading means have a long and a short position with the same currency pair at the same time. So when one of them is making money, the other one loses at the same time. Some traders do it when the market is moving inside a range. They open a short and long position at the same time and close them one by one when they are in profit.

I never do it because I don’t believe in this kind of blind trading.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by EMMY
2009-01-27 23:31:02

please nice one , explain the correlation that exist with european, usa,japanese , switzerland stocks and forex with their currency pairs. panese stock(nikkei), how does it relate with yen. some times the stock will be up and the currency will be down(weak) please help me to understand it. i trade eurchf now, which stock have strong correlation with eurchf?how does bond, treasury and bills affect forex. i was told that dow lost correlation with usdjpy now why? i will appreciate if you can expain everything about stock,bond, treasury, furture against forex.

Comment by Vahid
2009-01-28 00:13:34

Hi Emmy,

I know there are some correlations with these things that you mentioned but I don’t trade based on it. So I really don’t know what to say. Sorry about that.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by Mustaffa Kamal
2009-02-03 04:28:08

Hi Vahid,

Many Thanks from your education I always love to read your systematic education and I love to use Fibonnacci and Frankly speaking it is fun to use Fibonnacci .But can I learn from u Fibonnacci fan or other Fibonnacci.Once agin thanks from your education.

 
Comment by Tariq
2009-03-05 07:13:03

Really great work Vahid, you teach us is such a simple way,every thing understanable. You are genius. Your this lecture give a lot of support in our trading.plz keep continue this procedure.best regards from Tariq.

 
Comment by azahar
2009-03-12 07:13:12

hi vahid ,

i’ll be glad if you can show me how to use the fibonnacci extension and the exact point to plot them

 
Comment by Jerome
2009-03-23 23:03:31

Vahid

Word can not truly express the gratitude I feel for you and the work your doing, thank you so much for taking time out of your schdule to educate those who are interested in forex trading, I also feel a spritual side coming from you and your teaching I must say it’s enlightening to my sprit and educational to my mind.

Thank again

Jerome

Comment by Vahid
2009-03-24 08:54:18

Hi Jerome,

Thanks for your kind attentions.

I am really happy that I could help you. I will do my best in future to serve you more and as much as I can.

Thanks for your support.

Best regards,
Vahid

 
 
Comment by Dmitri
2009-05-10 11:49:18

Hello, Vahid

How are you?? Im new to forex tradding, I have read some of you post and the other. seem very interesting Hope I could get alot oout of this.

May God bless you and your mate.
p.s by the way I Have a membership too.

 
Comment by Bobby
2009-06-07 08:04:14

You’re fantastic.
This is a lot of work you’ve done.
I’m new to forex but if I make any money count me in for any of your good works projects.

Thak you
Bobby

 
Comment by Matt
2009-11-06 15:17:46

Thank you for this.
A nice clear look at fibs. I will do the practice.

Matt

 
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